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		<title>By: Jay Gatsby</title>
		<link>http://www.pfadvice.com/2010/02/04/get-politically-active-to-save-money/comment-page-1/#comment-673148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Gatsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald,

Every little bit helps :-)  Seriously though, I agree with you that we must cut our entitlement programs, but disagree that this is as simple as cutting the amount of money directed to such programs.  Increased efficiency and elimination of waste are paramount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald,</p>
<p>Every little bit helps <img src='http://www.pfadvice.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Seriously though, I agree with you that we must cut our entitlement programs, but disagree that this is as simple as cutting the amount of money directed to such programs.  Increased efficiency and elimination of waste are paramount.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

I&#039;ll agree with you that many of those things seem like a waste of money. But like I said, they are a drop in the bucket when it comes to entitlement programs and eliminating discretionary like that will have little effect on our deficit.

The point I am trying to make is that people see pork barrel spending as bad if it goes to another state but a good thing if it comes to their district. We all must be willing to give up little but more importantly we need to get a hold on our growing entitlement programs. Saving $200K here or there, while it sounds nice, really has no meaningful effect on our budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree with you that many of those things seem like a waste of money. But like I said, they are a drop in the bucket when it comes to entitlement programs and eliminating discretionary like that will have little effect on our deficit.</p>
<p>The point I am trying to make is that people see pork barrel spending as bad if it goes to another state but a good thing if it comes to their district. We all must be willing to give up little but more importantly we need to get a hold on our growing entitlement programs. Saving $200K here or there, while it sounds nice, really has no meaningful effect on our budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Gatsby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Gatsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Donald, but I have to disagree with you.  I&#039;m referring to pork-barrel projects that are essentially bribes to voters in order for a politician to get reelected.  Google the &quot;Golden Fleece Award&quot; once given out by the late Sen. William Proximire.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece_Award</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Donald, but I have to disagree with you.  I&#8217;m referring to pork-barrel projects that are essentially bribes to voters in order for a politician to get reelected.  Google the &#8220;Golden Fleece Award&#8221; once given out by the late Sen. William Proximire.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece_Award" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece_Award</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

When you say there there doesn&#039;t need to be any cuts in services what you mean is that there doesn&#039;t need to be any cuts in services that you think are a priority as long as we cut spending on things you consider wasteful. Unfortunately, those things you consider wasteful are important to other people. Why else would politicians fight to maintain spending in those areas. And let&#039;s face it- true &#039;wasteful&#039; spending makes up a small part of our budget. Entitlement programs are the greatest burden for our budget and will only grow more onerous. If we made meaningful reform in entitlement programs do you really think that people wouldn&#039;t see that as reduction in government services.

We have the politicians we deserve because we elect them and we provide the incentives for them to act in the way they do. We say, &quot;cut taxes and cut spending... but not this spending that I derive benefit from because it is actually an important thing to spend money on.&quot; 

I will grant you that defense spending is excessive but we must all be willing to shoulder the burden of reduced government benefits or increased taxes. Until we are willing to do that, no meaningful progress can be made in addressing our debt and deficit problem. Our gluttonous appetite for a free lunch must end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>When you say there there doesn&#8217;t need to be any cuts in services what you mean is that there doesn&#8217;t need to be any cuts in services that you think are a priority as long as we cut spending on things you consider wasteful. Unfortunately, those things you consider wasteful are important to other people. Why else would politicians fight to maintain spending in those areas. And let&#8217;s face it- true &#8216;wasteful&#8217; spending makes up a small part of our budget. Entitlement programs are the greatest burden for our budget and will only grow more onerous. If we made meaningful reform in entitlement programs do you really think that people wouldn&#8217;t see that as reduction in government services.</p>
<p>We have the politicians we deserve because we elect them and we provide the incentives for them to act in the way they do. We say, &#8220;cut taxes and cut spending&#8230; but not this spending that I derive benefit from because it is actually an important thing to spend money on.&#8221; </p>
<p>I will grant you that defense spending is excessive but we must all be willing to shoulder the burden of reduced government benefits or increased taxes. Until we are willing to do that, no meaningful progress can be made in addressing our debt and deficit problem. Our gluttonous appetite for a free lunch must end.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Donald and Jay Gatsby make valid points.  I don&#039;t believe that reducing wasteful spending is always (or even often) enough to afford all necessary services, but reducing wasteful spending should certainly be the first approach when funds are low, before increased taxes.

That said, Jay Gatsby is very correct about the general attitude many people display about government: we want it all, but we don&#039;t want to pay for it.  One might argue that they only want necessary services, but who decides what is necessary?  Clearly you think the library is a necessary service.  What about someone who never uses the library?  They might argue it is unnecessary and should be cut.  Or someone who homeschools?  Maybe they don&#039;t feel the public educational system is necessary.

It is absolutely our responsibility to be politically active, and politics absolutely has an effect on our finances.  That doesn&#039;t mean it is always the right thing - politically, or financially - to fight for what is most obviously financially beneficial to you as an individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Donald and Jay Gatsby make valid points.  I don&#8217;t believe that reducing wasteful spending is always (or even often) enough to afford all necessary services, but reducing wasteful spending should certainly be the first approach when funds are low, before increased taxes.</p>
<p>That said, Jay Gatsby is very correct about the general attitude many people display about government: we want it all, but we don&#8217;t want to pay for it.  One might argue that they only want necessary services, but who decides what is necessary?  Clearly you think the library is a necessary service.  What about someone who never uses the library?  They might argue it is unnecessary and should be cut.  Or someone who homeschools?  Maybe they don&#8217;t feel the public educational system is necessary.</p>
<p>It is absolutely our responsibility to be politically active, and politics absolutely has an effect on our finances.  That doesn&#8217;t mean it is always the right thing &#8211; politically, or financially &#8211; to fight for what is most obviously financially beneficial to you as an individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Gatsby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Gatsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donald,

There do not need to be ANY cuts in services if we insist on two things: (1) cut wasteful spending, and (2) reallocate spending to support needed services.  Unfortunately, our elected officials do not have the political willpower to make hard decisions.  This is because they are, by their very nature, political animals whose decisions are swayed by opinion polls (or whoever can get more voters to the polls).  For example, do we need to spend $500+ billion on defense?  No, but there are tens of thousands of jobs dependent on weapons programs for enemies that no longer exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald,</p>
<p>There do not need to be ANY cuts in services if we insist on two things: (1) cut wasteful spending, and (2) reallocate spending to support needed services.  Unfortunately, our elected officials do not have the political willpower to make hard decisions.  This is because they are, by their very nature, political animals whose decisions are swayed by opinion polls (or whoever can get more voters to the polls).  For example, do we need to spend $500+ billion on defense?  No, but there are tens of thousands of jobs dependent on weapons programs for enemies that no longer exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ideas expressed in your column demonstrate the reason our elected leaders will have such a difficult time balancing their budgets, whether they be municipal or national. You don&#039;t want cuts in services (and I&#039;ll admit cutting library services is extreme) and you don&#039;t want tax increases. You can&#039;t have it both ways. Things provided by government actually do cost money and need to be paid for. And what you call &#039;waste&#039; is very likely perceived as a very important service or benefit for another constituency. 

This is a personal finance blog. Imagine someone asking for advice about their personal finances but their preconditions are that: 1) they refuse to cut their spending in any way and, 2) they refuse to increase their income at all. Could you help them at all? Probably not. But that is what we are asking of our elected officials- no cuts in spending and no increase in revenue.

Expressing our dissent is our political right but with that right comes responsibilities. We must stop demanding so much in the way of services from our government or we must be willing to pay for them. We are acting like children, wanting things without any regard to how it will be paid for or who will have to pay it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ideas expressed in your column demonstrate the reason our elected leaders will have such a difficult time balancing their budgets, whether they be municipal or national. You don&#8217;t want cuts in services (and I&#8217;ll admit cutting library services is extreme) and you don&#8217;t want tax increases. You can&#8217;t have it both ways. Things provided by government actually do cost money and need to be paid for. And what you call &#8216;waste&#8217; is very likely perceived as a very important service or benefit for another constituency. </p>
<p>This is a personal finance blog. Imagine someone asking for advice about their personal finances but their preconditions are that: 1) they refuse to cut their spending in any way and, 2) they refuse to increase their income at all. Could you help them at all? Probably not. But that is what we are asking of our elected officials- no cuts in spending and no increase in revenue.</p>
<p>Expressing our dissent is our political right but with that right comes responsibilities. We must stop demanding so much in the way of services from our government or we must be willing to pay for them. We are acting like children, wanting things without any regard to how it will be paid for or who will have to pay it.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowy Heron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowy Heron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Gatsby is right.  The most politically active thing you can do is shine a light on wasteful government spending.  One big problem that hasn&#039;t gotten a lot of publicity is govt. employee unions convincing local governments to pay wages and benefits far in excess of what these individuals could get in private businesses.  There was one police officer (among others with similar problems, but this was just the most egregious) in our county that went on full disability for a finger injury of some sort.  And then he got a job in another community&#039;s police department.  So he was essentially getting paid twice.  It was brought up in the local papers but it turns out that the police officer did everything by the books.  But the rules that got him all of that would never work for a regular business.  It would put them out of business, which does appear to be what is happening in a lot of state, local, and, I daresay, federal governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Gatsby is right.  The most politically active thing you can do is shine a light on wasteful government spending.  One big problem that hasn&#8217;t gotten a lot of publicity is govt. employee unions convincing local governments to pay wages and benefits far in excess of what these individuals could get in private businesses.  There was one police officer (among others with similar problems, but this was just the most egregious) in our county that went on full disability for a finger injury of some sort.  And then he got a job in another community&#8217;s police department.  So he was essentially getting paid twice.  It was brought up in the local papers but it turns out that the police officer did everything by the books.  But the rules that got him all of that would never work for a regular business.  It would put them out of business, which does appear to be what is happening in a lot of state, local, and, I daresay, federal governments.</p>
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		<title>By: fern</title>
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		<dc:creator>fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised you say that you use your local library for research. I don&#039;t know what kind of research you&#039;re talking about, but I know that I couldn&#039;t count on my local library to have current titles. Meaning, their budget limits what books they get, and I can get much more up to the minute research by going online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised you say that you use your local library for research. I don&#8217;t know what kind of research you&#8217;re talking about, but I know that I couldn&#8217;t count on my local library to have current titles. Meaning, their budget limits what books they get, and I can get much more up to the minute research by going online.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Gatsby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Gatsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most politically-active thing you can do to save money is not to oppose new taxes, but rather to shine the light of day on wasteful government spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most politically-active thing you can do to save money is not to oppose new taxes, but rather to shine the light of day on wasteful government spending.</p>
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