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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for lunch, instead of buying out. Yes, these are desperate times. I read a post recently by a woman who consciously lives frugally, who wrote about how people respond to her. She wrote of sharing a large Coke between her family, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All those words and I forgot this bullet point:  If you're dressing to manipulate someone, including yourself, you're being manipulative.  If that's good or bad in a particular situation is up to you to decide, just know that it's what you're doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those words and I forgot this bullet point:  If you&#8217;re dressing to manipulate someone, including yourself, you&#8217;re being manipulative.  If that&#8217;s good or bad in a particular situation is up to you to decide, just know that it&#8217;s what you&#8217;re doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To start us on the same foot, let's agree that one would not wear an Armani suit and tie to weed the garden in (unless perhaps, one had a few to spare, and it was one's only 5 minute opportunity to get the weeding done....).  Further, let's agree that, if one has the means, one would not wear gardening clothes to church, or to a funeral.  But already, the discussion's gotten minorly complex.

The reality is: there are a whole ton of factors contributing to "I'm wearing this at this moment in this setting."   Some of those factors include "how will this outfit make me feel? how will it make other people feel? how will it serve the physical needs of what I'm about to do? Do I have time to change clothes between my last activity and this one? between this one and the next? Is my ideal outfit clean right now? Am I feeling particularly cheery today? social today? quieter than usual today? fat today?" etc. etc. etc.  Unfortunately, all of us prioritize each of these factors differently and differently at different times.  Some of us place a lot of importance on how our clothes make others feel.  Sometimes it's "I'd like to make people feel this way" and sometimes this is good (I'd like people at a funeral to not be distracted by my clothes and I'd like them to feel like they I have a listening shoulder to cry on) and sometimes this is not so good (I'd like to deceive people into thinking X about me).  Sometimes instead we focus on how the clothes make us feel, and again, sometimes this is good (I like to wear clothes to exercise in which make me feel positive and confident) and sometimes it's not so good (e.g. when I try to dress in a way that makes me feel better than others; which I should not do).  And sometimes I show up at the bank in my garden clothes because I'm just stopping off there between working in the garden and helping a friend move some stuff to storage (i.e. the situational context may be more important than other factors; or the utilitarian context; etc. etc.).

And, every time we make decisions, we can make them with the right motivations and the wrong ones; as we all know.  It's great to have this discussion, and to be thinking about these things, and to see what others are thinking about them.  It's good to be aware of our motivations for what we wear, and the influence they may/not be exerting on other people.

Now if only we can use this knowledge in the right way.  Unfortunately, the earlier comment "people dress to look poor.. to feel superior to others" is right more often than we'd like to admit.  And the right dress at the right time can open very important doors.  Let's make sure we're being wise, and not damning ourselves by choosing the wrong priority at the wrong time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To start us on the same foot, let&#8217;s agree that one would not wear an Armani suit and tie to weed the garden in (unless perhaps, one had a few to spare, and it was one&#8217;s only 5 minute opportunity to get the weeding done&#8230;.).  Further, let&#8217;s agree that, if one has the means, one would not wear gardening clothes to church, or to a funeral.  But already, the discussion&#8217;s gotten minorly complex.</p>
<p>The reality is: there are a whole ton of factors contributing to &#8220;I&#8217;m wearing this at this moment in this setting.&#8221;   Some of those factors include &#8220;how will this outfit make me feel? how will it make other people feel? how will it serve the physical needs of what I&#8217;m about to do? Do I have time to change clothes between my last activity and this one? between this one and the next? Is my ideal outfit clean right now? Am I feeling particularly cheery today? social today? quieter than usual today? fat today?&#8221; etc. etc. etc.  Unfortunately, all of us prioritize each of these factors differently and differently at different times.  Some of us place a lot of importance on how our clothes make others feel.  Sometimes it&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;d like to make people feel this way&#8221; and sometimes this is good (I&#8217;d like people at a funeral to not be distracted by my clothes and I&#8217;d like them to feel like they I have a listening shoulder to cry on) and sometimes this is not so good (I&#8217;d like to deceive people into thinking X about me).  Sometimes instead we focus on how the clothes make us feel, and again, sometimes this is good (I like to wear clothes to exercise in which make me feel positive and confident) and sometimes it&#8217;s not so good (e.g. when I try to dress in a way that makes me feel better than others; which I should not do).  And sometimes I show up at the bank in my garden clothes because I&#8217;m just stopping off there between working in the garden and helping a friend move some stuff to storage (i.e. the situational context may be more important than other factors; or the utilitarian context; etc. etc.).</p>
<p>And, every time we make decisions, we can make them with the right motivations and the wrong ones; as we all know.  It&#8217;s great to have this discussion, and to be thinking about these things, and to see what others are thinking about them.  It&#8217;s good to be aware of our motivations for what we wear, and the influence they may/not be exerting on other people.</p>
<p>Now if only we can use this knowledge in the right way.  Unfortunately, the earlier comment &#8220;people dress to look poor.. to feel superior to others&#8221; is right more often than we&#8217;d like to admit.  And the right dress at the right time can open very important doors.  Let&#8217;s make sure we&#8217;re being wise, and not damning ourselves by choosing the wrong priority at the wrong time.</p>
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		<title>By: You Need More Than Money To Join the Upper Class - SavingAdvice.com Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reader commented that looking poor may prevent you from socializing with wealthy people, who can help you increase your own wealth. This argument has some merit &#8212; appearances and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't try to look or act poor, i wear expensive clothes and have a newer car, but because of my age, i'm only 21, sales people often assume i'm poor, and don't help me. I have bought two cars at the nissan dealership in town, i had a wreck last summer and when i went to look for a car they snubbed me it was pretty obvious that i was serious about buying, i was bruised and cut all over.  i went to the next twon over. Car salesmen always get a suprize  with me bc i have great credit and actually know about cars unlike a lot of girls my age. I just bought a house too and the first realtor we worked with was less than helpfull...sucks for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t try to look or act poor, i wear expensive clothes and have a newer car, but because of my age, i&#8217;m only 21, sales people often assume i&#8217;m poor, and don&#8217;t help me. I have bought two cars at the nissan dealership in town, i had a wreck last summer and when i went to look for a car they snubbed me it was pretty obvious that i was serious about buying, i was bruised and cut all over.  i went to the next twon over. Car salesmen always get a suprize  with me bc i have great credit and actually know about cars unlike a lot of girls my age. I just bought a house too and the first realtor we worked with was less than helpfull&#8230;sucks for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar to a few other posters, I had an experience where I was ignored for "looking poor".  About 20 years ago I walked into a store to buy a stereo with my girlfriend (now wife).  I was dressed normal for summertime (t-shirt/shorts) but the salesperson ignored me in favor of an older, well-dressed couple.  Had the salesperson merely acknowledged me I would have been fine, but he never did.  I knew what I wanted, all he would've had to do was say "Can I help you?" and I would have said, yes "I want this stereo".  They didn't have any others on the floor other than the display model, so I couldn't just help myself.  After about 10 minutes of waiting, I went to leave.  

My wife and I were talking about it when another salesperson overheard our conversation and said rudely, "He's with a customer, he'll be with you in a minute!"  I replied by walking up to him and saying:  "I waited for 10 minutes without even being acknowledged."  I then pulled out several hundred dollars in cash, waved it in front of the salesman and 2 other salespeople that he was with and said, "Hopefully he sells those people a lot because he just lost his commission!" and walked out and bought the same stereo for $20 cheaper (and got 3 free CD's) at a place that had just opened nearby called Best Buy.

This chain had about 10 stores in the Philadelphia area and closed up about a year after this incident.  While the emergence of Best Buy and Circult City might have drove them out of business, I'm sure their customer service didn't help either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar to a few other posters, I had an experience where I was ignored for &#8220;looking poor&#8221;.  About 20 years ago I walked into a store to buy a stereo with my girlfriend (now wife).  I was dressed normal for summertime (t-shirt/shorts) but the salesperson ignored me in favor of an older, well-dressed couple.  Had the salesperson merely acknowledged me I would have been fine, but he never did.  I knew what I wanted, all he would&#8217;ve had to do was say &#8220;Can I help you?&#8221; and I would have said, yes &#8220;I want this stereo&#8221;.  They didn&#8217;t have any others on the floor other than the display model, so I couldn&#8217;t just help myself.  After about 10 minutes of waiting, I went to leave.  </p>
<p>My wife and I were talking about it when another salesperson overheard our conversation and said rudely, &#8220;He&#8217;s with a customer, he&#8217;ll be with you in a minute!&#8221;  I replied by walking up to him and saying:  &#8220;I waited for 10 minutes without even being acknowledged.&#8221;  I then pulled out several hundred dollars in cash, waved it in front of the salesman and 2 other salespeople that he was with and said, &#8220;Hopefully he sells those people a lot because he just lost his commission!&#8221; and walked out and bought the same stereo for $20 cheaper (and got 3 free CD&#8217;s) at a place that had just opened nearby called Best Buy.</p>
<p>This chain had about 10 stores in the Philadelphia area and closed up about a year after this incident.  While the emergence of Best Buy and Circult City might have drove them out of business, I&#8217;m sure their customer service didn&#8217;t help either.</p>
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		<title>By: On looking poor</title>
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		<dc:creator>On looking poor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Spending recently discussed a Saving Advice post on how looking poor can benefit you. The comments are great reading; a lot of the readers have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a divorced Mom I always lived very simply while focusing on my son's education, my own retirement, and a little fun along the way.  I bought one of the least expensive houses in a good school district and saved fairly agressively for my son's college.  We never had a lot of the toys that other familes had - fancy TVs, big SUV, etc.  Other kids did sometimes comment on our lack of goodies.  "Hey, these speakers are really lousy!"  And I even had one Mom who wouldn't let her child ride in my compact car.  

My son just graduated from an out of state school known to have a good program in his major. He's debt-free and got a job making more than I ever did!  Appearances can be deceiving.  Quite a few of the children from those other familes had fewer college choices or their kids graduated with a lot of debt.  I wouldn't trade my proud Mama day (my son's graduation) for all of the fancy clothes and expensive gadgets in the world. And I'm enjoying some fun, though frugal vacations with a lot fewer worries than I'd have if I hadn't learned to live below my means.  I know that there is some luck in every success story but for all of you young families starting out with a frugal outlook, it does pay off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a divorced Mom I always lived very simply while focusing on my son&#8217;s education, my own retirement, and a little fun along the way.  I bought one of the least expensive houses in a good school district and saved fairly agressively for my son&#8217;s college.  We never had a lot of the toys that other familes had - fancy TVs, big SUV, etc.  Other kids did sometimes comment on our lack of goodies.  &#8220;Hey, these speakers are really lousy!&#8221;  And I even had one Mom who wouldn&#8217;t let her child ride in my compact car.  </p>
<p>My son just graduated from an out of state school known to have a good program in his major. He&#8217;s debt-free and got a job making more than I ever did!  Appearances can be deceiving.  Quite a few of the children from those other familes had fewer college choices or their kids graduated with a lot of debt.  I wouldn&#8217;t trade my proud Mama day (my son&#8217;s graduation) for all of the fancy clothes and expensive gadgets in the world. And I&#8217;m enjoying some fun, though frugal vacations with a lot fewer worries than I&#8217;d have if I hadn&#8217;t learned to live below my means.  I know that there is some luck in every success story but for all of you young families starting out with a frugal outlook, it does pay off.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been on the "giving" end of the kid's meal toy transaction. 
We try to be fruga, we've discovered that for our kid it's cheaper to get the kid's meal at a fast food restaurant when we do eat there than order the items separately. We don't usually want another crappy toy though.
Sometimes she asks for the toy anyway, but then admits that she doesn't want it-- and will volunteer to give it to another kid in the restaurant. We always make her ask the adult with the kid if it's ok first (rather than dump the toy on another family who is trying to reduce clutter) but it's wonderful that she's interested in giving it away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on the &#8220;giving&#8221; end of the kid&#8217;s meal toy transaction.<br />
We try to be fruga, we&#8217;ve discovered that for our kid it&#8217;s cheaper to get the kid&#8217;s meal at a fast food restaurant when we do eat there than order the items separately. We don&#8217;t usually want another crappy toy though.<br />
Sometimes she asks for the toy anyway, but then admits that she doesn&#8217;t want it&#8211; and will volunteer to give it to another kid in the restaurant. We always make her ask the adult with the kid if it&#8217;s ok first (rather than dump the toy on another family who is trying to reduce clutter) but it&#8217;s wonderful that she&#8217;s interested in giving it away.</p>
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		<dc:creator>June 5, 2008 Link Payday &#124; Uncommon Cents</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m sure there is a lot of that going on; in this intriguing post, SavingAdvice.com discusses The Benefits of Savings Habits that Make You Look Poor. I have a different problem&#8211;the benefits of looking old! I really don&#8217;t qualify for [...]</description>
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