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	<title>Comments on: Falling Off the Dave Ramsey Diet</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Leichty</title>
		<link>http://www.pfadvice.com/2008/05/19/falling-off-the-dave-ramsey-diet/comment-page-4/#comment-992961</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Leichty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Dave Ramsey does have good ideas about getting out of debt, etc., he doesn&#039;t know the first thing about Investing.  He used be an Insurance Agent before he became this self-help guru that everyone says is the greatest ever.  I don&#039;t buy into all of the Hype.

A member of my Church congregation is planning to hold a Financial Seminar as part of Dave Ramsey&#039;s Financial Peace University, and I am going to be watching very carefully to see that he doesn&#039;t give the group attending misinformation about Investing and Insurance.

I am a Licensed Life and Health Insurance Agent, but at the moment I am not representing any companies.  Dave Ramsey is biased against Cash Value Insurance Policies, suggesting to his followers that they are better off purchasing Term Life Insurance Policies and using the difference to buy whatever they want.  That is not only stupid, it is also dangerous because people who purchase Insurance have a need for something that they can&#039;t find protection for any other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Dave Ramsey does have good ideas about getting out of debt, etc., he doesn&#8217;t know the first thing about Investing.  He used be an Insurance Agent before he became this self-help guru that everyone says is the greatest ever.  I don&#8217;t buy into all of the Hype.</p>
<p>A member of my Church congregation is planning to hold a Financial Seminar as part of Dave Ramsey&#8217;s Financial Peace University, and I am going to be watching very carefully to see that he doesn&#8217;t give the group attending misinformation about Investing and Insurance.</p>
<p>I am a Licensed Life and Health Insurance Agent, but at the moment I am not representing any companies.  Dave Ramsey is biased against Cash Value Insurance Policies, suggesting to his followers that they are better off purchasing Term Life Insurance Policies and using the difference to buy whatever they want.  That is not only stupid, it is also dangerous because people who purchase Insurance have a need for something that they can&#8217;t find protection for any other way.</p>
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		<title>By: TheChuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheChuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Telling someone that they can’t go on vacation or out to eat once in a while is bound to lead to rebellion eventually. Either that or it may lead to depression.&quot;  Are you serious?  Have we gotten to such a sad place that if as humans if we don&#039;t get the toy we want, get to go out to eat, or go on a vacation we might slip into depression.  That&#039;s pretty pathetic.  If you have a dream, like to loose weight, finish college, or build wealth, it will take serious discipline.  The leeway you say you need is simply a lack of discipline.  You can become financially secure with out Dave Ramsey.  But you will never become, or stay, financially secure without discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Telling someone that they can’t go on vacation or out to eat once in a while is bound to lead to rebellion eventually. Either that or it may lead to depression.&#8221;  Are you serious?  Have we gotten to such a sad place that if as humans if we don&#8217;t get the toy we want, get to go out to eat, or go on a vacation we might slip into depression.  That&#8217;s pretty pathetic.  If you have a dream, like to loose weight, finish college, or build wealth, it will take serious discipline.  The leeway you say you need is simply a lack of discipline.  You can become financially secure with out Dave Ramsey.  But you will never become, or stay, financially secure without discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Beard</title>
		<link>http://www.pfadvice.com/2008/05/19/falling-off-the-dave-ramsey-diet/comment-page-4/#comment-955022</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several statements in this article are not factual. Dave doesn&#039;t teach you to do without! He teaches you to plan. If  you want a vacation, a nice Christmas, extra money for the kids activities, new furniture,absolutely anything.... then add it to your plan!  If you don&#039;t have a good health insurance and you know that a major health situation could set you back several thousand, then make your emergency fund fit your own life, build it bigger before you start the snowball.  There is not a perfect plan that fits everyone&#039;s personal situations, so use his ideas with the common sense you have about your own life situation and it will work. We were close to 200,000 in debt 3 years ago in 2008. Today we are 90,000 in debt with a few thousand dollars put up for emergencies. At this rate we should be completely debt free in 3 years, mortgage and all. How many Americans are debt free at the age of 45? Well we plan to be. Then we plan to enjoy the next 20,30,40 years of our life doing things we always wanted to do without incurring debt to do them....travel, buy a vacation home, make some renovations to our primary home, and have money to invest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several statements in this article are not factual. Dave doesn&#8217;t teach you to do without! He teaches you to plan. If  you want a vacation, a nice Christmas, extra money for the kids activities, new furniture,absolutely anything&#8230;. then add it to your plan!  If you don&#8217;t have a good health insurance and you know that a major health situation could set you back several thousand, then make your emergency fund fit your own life, build it bigger before you start the snowball.  There is not a perfect plan that fits everyone&#8217;s personal situations, so use his ideas with the common sense you have about your own life situation and it will work. We were close to 200,000 in debt 3 years ago in 2008. Today we are 90,000 in debt with a few thousand dollars put up for emergencies. At this rate we should be completely debt free in 3 years, mortgage and all. How many Americans are debt free at the age of 45? Well we plan to be. Then we plan to enjoy the next 20,30,40 years of our life doing things we always wanted to do without incurring debt to do them&#8230;.travel, buy a vacation home, make some renovations to our primary home, and have money to invest.</p>
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		<title>By: Ammo</title>
		<link>http://www.pfadvice.com/2008/05/19/falling-off-the-dave-ramsey-diet/comment-page-3/#comment-950203</link>
		<dc:creator>Ammo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 21:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, yes Dave&#039;s plan absolutely works but you have to actually DO IT. When the emergency find is depleted, you stop and fill it up again. If you don&#039;t think 1K is enough, save more! You go into debt doing dumb stuff, so the least you can do is stop it until you pay it off. No more credit cards, financed cars, loans. that&#039;s it. If you can&#039;t live on what you make, then you need to get another job, or two. The stories of getting debt free are so inspirational and so needed in these tough times, which are compounded by people waiting  for someone to bail them out. The comment from the guy asking Dave to bail him out (because Dave&#039;s &quot;enormous wealth&quot;) is just so typical of the entitlement attitude of this country. I&#039;m for Dave and all his ideas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, yes Dave&#8217;s plan absolutely works but you have to actually DO IT. When the emergency find is depleted, you stop and fill it up again. If you don&#8217;t think 1K is enough, save more! You go into debt doing dumb stuff, so the least you can do is stop it until you pay it off. No more credit cards, financed cars, loans. that&#8217;s it. If you can&#8217;t live on what you make, then you need to get another job, or two. The stories of getting debt free are so inspirational and so needed in these tough times, which are compounded by people waiting  for someone to bail them out. The comment from the guy asking Dave to bail him out (because Dave&#8217;s &#8220;enormous wealth&#8221;) is just so typical of the entitlement attitude of this country. I&#8217;m for Dave and all his ideas!</p>
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		<title>By: C.J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I took the Financial Freedom class for 3 months and did everything we could to get going on our baby steps. I took out an additional part-time job at 20 to 25 hours per week on top of my full-time 40-hour per week job while my wife was also working nearly full-time hours. We got a budget together, sold some things, got our emergency savings together, started paying down debt and did the best we could for nearly a year.

Then the bottom fell out. My wife had emergency back surgery, our savings went out the window, our debt load increased because of the medical bills, my wife was out of work for nearly two months and we&#039;re right back to square one all over again -- in the hole without any light.

I quit my part-time job after being there for a year because I was physically and emotionally exhausted working 7 days a week and barely ever seeing my three children or my wife. My relationships with my family deteriorated, I was edgy all the time because of working all the time, and our debt load -- even with a Dave Ramsey budget in place -- was still not paying down at a very fast rate. There was always something that popped up every month that the budget could account for. 

We never go on vacations, don&#039;t have new cars (newest is 8 years old and other is 12 years old), can never afford family outings, just pay the basic bills each month, have no savings (since the surgery) and can&#039;t put together a meaningful budget on a monthly basis because the car keeps breaking down or a child gets sick and we have to go to the doctor and get medication, and we&#039;re still paying for another half year on my wife&#039;s medical bills for her back surgery. 

I get very frustrated hearing all the success stories out there by people who do the Dave Ramsey plan and are out of debt within a few years. My wife and I make meager salaries and are trying our very best, but can never get over the hump because of stupid car/medical emergencies. There&#039;s only so much you can sell and so much budgeting you can do with limited funds. 

And now, my wonderful 8th grade daughter just won a state compeition at her school and is advancing to the national competition in Washington, D.C. But our reward is that there is no school funding going toward the trip (my wife is going with her since she is only 14 years old), so we have to come up with approximately $1,500 in the next 6 weeks. Oh the joy of life when you have no money, no savings and the bills keep piling up. 

So Dave, would you be willing to help a person out with your enormous wealth?????? You&#039;d probably just tell me to sell both my cars and ride a bike to work, continue to eat sandwiches with nothing but a little ketchup on it and continue to wear my hole-filled clothes and shoes for another few years so I don&#039;t get into further debt. 

Ramsey has no real plan for when life hits you with constant financial hay makers. Just so tired of trying to do what is right for more than 16 years with very little to show for it and no closer to being out of debt than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I took the Financial Freedom class for 3 months and did everything we could to get going on our baby steps. I took out an additional part-time job at 20 to 25 hours per week on top of my full-time 40-hour per week job while my wife was also working nearly full-time hours. We got a budget together, sold some things, got our emergency savings together, started paying down debt and did the best we could for nearly a year.</p>
<p>Then the bottom fell out. My wife had emergency back surgery, our savings went out the window, our debt load increased because of the medical bills, my wife was out of work for nearly two months and we&#8217;re right back to square one all over again &#8212; in the hole without any light.</p>
<p>I quit my part-time job after being there for a year because I was physically and emotionally exhausted working 7 days a week and barely ever seeing my three children or my wife. My relationships with my family deteriorated, I was edgy all the time because of working all the time, and our debt load &#8212; even with a Dave Ramsey budget in place &#8212; was still not paying down at a very fast rate. There was always something that popped up every month that the budget could account for. </p>
<p>We never go on vacations, don&#8217;t have new cars (newest is 8 years old and other is 12 years old), can never afford family outings, just pay the basic bills each month, have no savings (since the surgery) and can&#8217;t put together a meaningful budget on a monthly basis because the car keeps breaking down or a child gets sick and we have to go to the doctor and get medication, and we&#8217;re still paying for another half year on my wife&#8217;s medical bills for her back surgery. </p>
<p>I get very frustrated hearing all the success stories out there by people who do the Dave Ramsey plan and are out of debt within a few years. My wife and I make meager salaries and are trying our very best, but can never get over the hump because of stupid car/medical emergencies. There&#8217;s only so much you can sell and so much budgeting you can do with limited funds. </p>
<p>And now, my wonderful 8th grade daughter just won a state compeition at her school and is advancing to the national competition in Washington, D.C. But our reward is that there is no school funding going toward the trip (my wife is going with her since she is only 14 years old), so we have to come up with approximately $1,500 in the next 6 weeks. Oh the joy of life when you have no money, no savings and the bills keep piling up. </p>
<p>So Dave, would you be willing to help a person out with your enormous wealth?????? You&#8217;d probably just tell me to sell both my cars and ride a bike to work, continue to eat sandwiches with nothing but a little ketchup on it and continue to wear my hole-filled clothes and shoes for another few years so I don&#8217;t get into further debt. </p>
<p>Ramsey has no real plan for when life hits you with constant financial hay makers. Just so tired of trying to do what is right for more than 16 years with very little to show for it and no closer to being out of debt than ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAVE FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAVE FOR PRESIDENT 2012!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.pfadvice.com/2008/05/19/falling-off-the-dave-ramsey-diet/comment-page-3/#comment-939138</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Ramsey&#039;s cult kind of creeps me out. Yes, getting out of debt is a great idea. Yes, the debt snowball and envelope system are great tools. But seriously, the guy is wrong about a lot of stuff, and the people who follow him get completely bent out of shape about anyone who calls him out on something.

The guy actually says on his website, &quot;Dave prefers a commission-based advisor and funds. Over the lifetime of an investment, a commission-based fund will cost the least.&quot;

That&#039;s about as wrong as saying up is down and down is up. The guy isn&#039;t just flat out wrong, I believe he&#039;s lying deliberately to push his network of commissioned ELPs, who in turn give him kick-backs for referrals.

Go ahead and get out of debt, but at least try to think for yourself before drinking all the Dave Ramsey Kool-Aid. Those front-end loads and 12-1b fees aren&#039;t worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Ramsey&#8217;s cult kind of creeps me out. Yes, getting out of debt is a great idea. Yes, the debt snowball and envelope system are great tools. But seriously, the guy is wrong about a lot of stuff, and the people who follow him get completely bent out of shape about anyone who calls him out on something.</p>
<p>The guy actually says on his website, &#8220;Dave prefers a commission-based advisor and funds. Over the lifetime of an investment, a commission-based fund will cost the least.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about as wrong as saying up is down and down is up. The guy isn&#8217;t just flat out wrong, I believe he&#8217;s lying deliberately to push his network of commissioned ELPs, who in turn give him kick-backs for referrals.</p>
<p>Go ahead and get out of debt, but at least try to think for yourself before drinking all the Dave Ramsey Kool-Aid. Those front-end loads and 12-1b fees aren&#8217;t worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 04:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just a bit of a too anti-Dave article for my taste.  To say that Dave Ramsey is for people how have totally messed up their financial life is like saying your should only visit the doctor for a heart attack.

Dave&#039;s philosophy is simple, get rid of credit cards and pay off debt.  If you destroy your credit cards then you cannot use them and get distracted.  It is also worth noting that the compound interest of retirement planning pales in comparison to the compound interest of debt.

Dave also does spend a lot of time telling callers of his show how to modify the plan to meet their specific needs.  

For some reason there is a school of thought in financial planning that says debt is good. this is not a true statement.  Sure a 0% car loan sounds good until you lose your job and can&#039;t pay it any more.  Walking away from this deal is called living within your means and it is a skill everyone needs a reminder of whether the follow Dave&#039;s plan or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just a bit of a too anti-Dave article for my taste.  To say that Dave Ramsey is for people how have totally messed up their financial life is like saying your should only visit the doctor for a heart attack.</p>
<p>Dave&#8217;s philosophy is simple, get rid of credit cards and pay off debt.  If you destroy your credit cards then you cannot use them and get distracted.  It is also worth noting that the compound interest of retirement planning pales in comparison to the compound interest of debt.</p>
<p>Dave also does spend a lot of time telling callers of his show how to modify the plan to meet their specific needs.  </p>
<p>For some reason there is a school of thought in financial planning that says debt is good. this is not a true statement.  Sure a 0% car loan sounds good until you lose your job and can&#8217;t pay it any more.  Walking away from this deal is called living within your means and it is a skill everyone needs a reminder of whether the follow Dave&#8217;s plan or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave rocks and the world knows it! Say what you want, he helps people...which is far more than most people or the government can say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave rocks and the world knows it! Say what you want, he helps people&#8230;which is far more than most people or the government can say!</p>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great read,My mom lost about 10,000 in retirement saving in mutual funds a couple years back. taking advice from someone who lost 4 million dollars thats insane. and if he dave really is blessed then take a good will offering instead of people who want to get out of debt pay for stuff , does not make sense at all . says stay away from the stock market, well if your smart enough and know how and where to invest you wont lose your shirt.and it seems it caters to those with lots of money , i&#039;m sorry I cant feel sorry for someone that makes 200,000 a year and is in debt for that same amount or more ,glad to know i&#039;m not the only one,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great read,My mom lost about 10,000 in retirement saving in mutual funds a couple years back. taking advice from someone who lost 4 million dollars thats insane. and if he dave really is blessed then take a good will offering instead of people who want to get out of debt pay for stuff , does not make sense at all . says stay away from the stock market, well if your smart enough and know how and where to invest you wont lose your shirt.and it seems it caters to those with lots of money , i&#8217;m sorry I cant feel sorry for someone that makes 200,000 a year and is in debt for that same amount or more ,glad to know i&#8217;m not the only one,</p>
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