Comments on: Why Giving A $10,000 Tip Is A Bad Idea http://www.pfadvice.com/2007/07/13/why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea/ Bridging the gap between saving money and investing Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:22:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Mel http://www.pfadvice.com/2007/07/13/why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-79133 Mel Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:56:27 +0000 http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2007/07/13/101614_why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea.html#comment-79133 The restaurants I've worked at automatically report to the IRS what tips you make off credit card payments, but not cash or check. Technically the restaurants have told the staff you are "required" to report all your tips, however it is an unspoken understating you will only claim what is already declared on the credit cards. This is why severs love when customers pay with cash. Restaurants (and all merchants for that matter) prefer cash as well to avoid the credit card fees. The restaurants I’ve worked at automatically report to the IRS what tips you make off credit card payments, but not cash or check. Technically the restaurants have told the staff you are “required” to report all your tips, however it is an unspoken understating you will only claim what is already declared on the credit cards. This is why severs love when customers pay with cash. Restaurants (and all merchants for that matter) prefer cash as well to avoid the credit card fees.

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]]> By: NewMillionaire http://www.pfadvice.com/2007/07/13/why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-75120 NewMillionaire Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:59:28 +0000 http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2007/07/13/101614_why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea.html#comment-75120 Great article and point of view that most people would miss. Thanks for writing this. I hope that will be considered as a gift instead of a tip however, since this was thought way before it was given and it had more to do with liking and believing in the waitress and the fact that they wanted her to get an education rather than how good the service and the pizza was. Great gesture from the family! Our society needs many more news like this instead of the sad ones that overwhelm the media quite often Great article and point of view that most people would miss. Thanks for writing this. I hope that will be considered as a gift instead of a tip however, since this was thought way before it was given and it had more to do with liking and believing in the waitress and the fact that they wanted her to get an education rather than how good the service and the pizza was.
Great gesture from the family! Our society needs many more news like this instead of the sad ones that overwhelm the media quite often

]]> By: Teri http://www.pfadvice.com/2007/07/13/why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-74381 Teri Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:10:49 +0000 http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2007/07/13/101614_why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea.html#comment-74381 Actually I believe that you are s'posed to report your tip income as you actually receive it BUT there are other programs/options that sometimes allow you to report a set amount. I think just because you receive a set amount in your W-2 doesn't mean it was done right. There is a huge issue with noncompliance of the tax law when it comes to tips - vastly underreported. However, I am with Anon. I think in her case she could argue it was a gift. However, if the IRS does come after her due to the publicity, she may have to hire a CPA or a lawyer to argue on her behalf that it was really a gift (which will cost a lot of money anyway). I would imagine it will probably be a non-issue. But it could be one all the same. I think though it was called a "tip" it is obviously a "gift" and I don't think she will face much trouble. Still a good point as the taxes on prizes and awards really trip people up. Large sums of money should never change hands without a little tax consideration. The golden rule in general is you don't get something for nothing - so remember that when you min $1 million. ;) Actually I believe that you are s’posed to report your tip income as you actually receive it BUT there are other programs/options that sometimes allow you to report a set amount. I think just because you receive a set amount in your W-2 doesn’t mean it was done right. There is a huge issue with noncompliance of the tax law when it comes to tips - vastly underreported.

However, I am with Anon. I think in her case she could argue it was a gift. However, if the IRS does come after her due to the publicity, she may have to hire a CPA or a lawyer to argue on her behalf that it was really a gift (which will cost a lot of money anyway). I would imagine it will probably be a non-issue. But it could be one all the same. I think though it was called a “tip” it is obviously a “gift” and I don’t think she will face much trouble.

Still a good point as the taxes on prizes and awards really trip people up. Large sums of money should never change hands without a little tax consideration. The golden rule in general is you don’t get something for nothing - so remember that when you min $1 million. ;)

]]> By: Michael http://www.pfadvice.com/2007/07/13/why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-74338 Michael Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:02:22 +0000 http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2007/07/13/101614_why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea.html#comment-74338 Your tip income appears as a standard amount on your W2, regardless of how much you actually get. I usually received far more that what appeared. The tip income basically has to at least bring your wage up the minimum wage. At least that's how it worked when I waited tables. Your tip income appears as a standard amount on your W2, regardless of how much you actually get. I usually received far more that what appeared. The tip income basically has to at least bring your wage up the minimum wage.

At least that’s how it worked when I waited tables.

]]> By: Anon http://www.pfadvice.com/2007/07/13/why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-74215 Anon Sat, 14 Jul 2007 05:29:33 +0000 http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2007/07/13/101614_why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea.html#comment-74215 Why are you so sure this would be taxed as income? Two reasons to think it need not be: 1) the waitress could argue this wasn't payment for a service (after all, she clearly didn't provide $10,000 worth of restaurant service) and that this instead meets the IRS standard for a gift (that the giver gave it in a detached and disinterested manner) 2) I thought some waitstaff has the option to report tip income as some fixed amount, determined by the IRS, in order to avoid having to keep precise track. Am I wrong about this? Why are you so sure this would be taxed as income? Two reasons to think it need not be:
1) the waitress could argue this wasn’t payment for a service (after all, she clearly didn’t provide $10,000 worth of restaurant service) and that this instead meets the IRS standard for a gift (that the giver gave it in a detached and disinterested manner)

2) I thought some waitstaff has the option to report tip income as some fixed amount, determined by the IRS, in order to avoid having to keep precise track. Am I wrong about this?

]]> By: dan http://www.pfadvice.com/2007/07/13/why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-74129 dan Sat, 14 Jul 2007 02:25:56 +0000 http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2007/07/13/101614_why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea.html#comment-74129 This is really unfortunate since it is clear that the person who gave the money wanted it to be a gift. The news coverage explaining it was a tip will mean that even though it was meant as a gift, the IRS will make sure to take their cut. This is really unfortunate since it is clear that the person who gave the money wanted it to be a gift. The news coverage explaining it was a tip will mean that even though it was meant as a gift, the IRS will make sure to take their cut.

]]> By: disneysteve http://www.pfadvice.com/2007/07/13/why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea/#comment-74100 disneysteve Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:19:11 +0000 http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2007/07/13/101614_why-giving-a-10000-tip-is-a-bad-idea.html#comment-74100 Another factor is to consider issues on the giver's end. Rather than giving cash or a check, the giver could give appreciated assets, like stocks or mutual fund shares. By gifting those, the giver would avoid the capital gains taxes he/she would have to pay if he/she sold the shares. Another factor is to consider issues on the giver’s end. Rather than giving cash or a check, the giver could give appreciated assets, like stocks or mutual fund shares. By gifting those, the giver would avoid the capital gains taxes he/she would have to pay if he/she sold the shares.

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